Movement in Dallas as APFA sells bricks, (see above post) does many side agreements with AA, but NO RECALL EXTENSION! If APFA can do side agreements with AA, they can certainly do a side agreement to EXTEND RECALL RIGHTS!
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I was there in Euless folks, all day, and we did make progress. More than in the past three years! APFA knows we will NOT GO AWAY!
The print and television media were given this blog address. Bottom line...we want our recall rights extended and our jobs back!
I was there in Euless folks, all day, and we did make progress. More than in the past three years! APFA knows we will NOT GO AWAY!
The print and television media were given this blog address. Bottom line...we want our recall rights extended and our jobs back!
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The former TWAers represented themselves well in this event which was noted far and wide in the media-Sincere appreciation is extended to all who funded, gave council, and make this event happen. A special thank you to those who physically participated at Euless representing all former TWAers in making APFA take notice. Hundreds of those in the aviation business were watching-you made us all proud!
Extension of recall rights was the focus of the day!
It has been reported that Tommie Hutto Blake met with a representative of the TWA group, and later in the day invited AA management to meet the picketers. Whether this event will be fruitful is undetermined at this time. THuttoBlake/Mgt. had to make an appearance.........
ACTIONS speak louder than mere words. We have yet to see any action in recall extensions the day after. Who is giving lip service and WHO, if anyone will 'deliver?'
Results will speak volumes.......lip service is nothing but rhetoric.
TIME WILL TELL.
A gracious 'thank you' to the media on board regarding our plight. Thanks for 'keeping us in focus' to the public-- even though we have been grounded inflight. Your reporting is recognised and appreciated by the former TWA Flight Attendants. With Gratitude, Former TWA F/A's/American Airlines employees.
WOW, the previous poster put it in perspective. Great turnout among the TWA picketers on behalf of ALL AA Furloughees! The RESULTS remain to be seen.
This particular statement rings true for the future:
"ACTIONS speak louder than mere words. We have yet to see any action in recall extensions the day after. Who is giving lip service and WHO, if anyone will 'deliver?'"
The fact remains that the first TWAers to drop off the recall list is Oct 1 & 7....I would expect if there was any action, it would be delivered in quicktime at this date or be retroactive should APFA do the right thing.
It is yet to be seen if the former TWAAA picketing effort will give results. While THB is at the helm, it will be up to her to submit changes. She has quite a resume as a lifetime Unionist. This is her true test in being a Union leader.
As said earlier, time will tell.
The good poster above said it all,
"While THB is at the helm, it will be up to her to submit changes. She has quite a resume as a lifetime Unionist. This is her true test in being a Union leader."
The first group of furloughee's to lose their recall rights is slated for first week of Oct 2006-certainly not far away as the clock is ticking. It will be interesting to see RESULTS from the professional picketing that took place outside of APFA headquarters.
Educating 'SOME' naative f/a's in Unionism 101( I believe a miniority), is a task that should have been a priority after National Elections took place and John Ward lost his placement at APFA. His hatred of TWAers was so apparent that it came to be his own demise.
As you said, this is a 'true test' of THB's integrity as a lifetime Unionist.
Time............will tell.
I can see just how much the media cares about this story.
Judging by how many replies there are here, they care about a couple of thousand flight attendants about as much as George Bush and his goverment care about the people's lives ravished by Hurricane Katrina or the slayings of peoples lives employed by Enron corp.
Then again, the media may just be looking in and not replying. Not!
Jay Narey's (active AA flight attendant) letter to Gerald Arpey:
I have contacted my Base Chairs, the
APFA Executive Committee and now Mr. Arpey
regarding the recall extension....
I urge all of you to do likewise.
Your future and the future direction of our
Union is at stake:
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Dear Mr. Arpey,
I am writing to you to express a position that
I believe the ' majority ' of APFA members hold.
While I can only speak for myself,
I would like to express that we have NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER
to see recall rights for furloughed members extended beyond 5 years,
REGARDLESS of what our Union Leadership is saying to you.
AMR is not in a financial position to employ everyone that we would
like to employ...particularly employees who, if recalled, would be
coming back at the top of our pay scale and with exorbitant medical
insurance costs.
While I am truly empathetic to the plight of the former TWA
employees,none of us could have foreseen the tragic decimation of
our industry following 9/11 which resulted in these furloughs.
Furthermore, I would like to applaud your efforts to preserve the
promised pensions on our property and believe that in order for us
to truly "pull together in order to win together" that we need a
cohesive work group...and I don't believe that is possible if the
TWA employees are kept on property.
Animosity will continue unabated and morale will deteriorate even
further than it has deteriorated following the Restructuring
Participation Agreement ratifications.That is something that
American Airlines can ill afford going forward.
You are a busy man, and I'm sure you yearn for brevity as I do.
Therefore I just wanted to convey to you my desire that there be NO
EXTENSION in recall rights period. While this position may not be
that of our Union Leaders, I can assure you it IS the position of
the majority of "rank and file" flight attendants.
Sincerely,
Jay Narey
Operational Council Representative
Dallas-Fort Worth International
APFA
Perhaps you should take some time in getting your facts straight before you post.
You said: TWA went Bankrupt.
*Truth: TW Bankrupcy was a condition of sale...to rid TW of Ichans "Karabu" ticket agreement.
(You know that.)
You were about to lose your jobs anyway. With no benefits or severance.
*Truth: John Ward during the RPA concessionary talks gave up severance pay without AA even asking. Cost value? What did APFA get in return? Ask John Ward!
"APFA took you in and let you keep your jobs."
Truth: TWers were fenced into STL & JFK according to the first SIA with seniority protection at both bases at the time. That fence was conveniently taken down in the rewrite of SIA- the condition?
22 TWAers go thru training...TWAers could volunteer or be drafted. AA Legal played a large part in this manuever.
You said:"APFA took you in and let you keep your jobs. AAL transfers (those who worked in other capacities at AAL and changed their minds to become flight attendants) all go to the bottom of the seniority list, why should you be treated differently?"
Truth: Wake up! APFA did NOT 'take us in' (lol)....nor did any TWAer transfer from one classification to another. TWAers always WERE AND REMAIN FLIGHT ATTENDANTS-
You said:
'9/11 took place. No one could change that, although it could have been predicted.(that a different subject)'
Truth:Today, Sept 11, 2006 marks the anniversary of the attacks. Living in NY, I have lived and breathed this attrocity in more ways than one-especially today.
The fact is that while all the airlines suffered in the aftermath of 9/11. Dont give me the excuse of cost of jet fuel/oil is the reason AA hasnt recalled their furloughs......the bottom line is that all major carriers have recalled their furloughees. American Airlines has found reason not to-shame on them!
You said:
"As a Union man myself I see why APFA put TWA workers at the bottom of the list , and I really don't understand why they insist that they get preferential treatment."
You refer to yourself as a Union Man? You certainly dont sound like you have a clue.
Truth:TWAers are asking for fairness and equitability in our treatment has human beings who dedicated our lives to the aviation business. The sad truth is that we may never return to the skies to retire with some last memories.
Perhaps you have shunned some of the best TWA Unionist's with history that could have helped you keep your heads above water.
Yes, we will move on but not without a fight. Our decades in the industry have built tenacity and spirit..........plus, after being laid off for several years now, we are well rested and ready to forge ahead.
Im sorry for you.....the worst is yet to come because of this division. Former TWAers have tried hard to find some meeting of the minds. American Airlines is watching allthewhile. Former TWAers have been down this path before.
Be well.
Good luck native AAer's! You are going to be another product of big businees. By the hand of the APFA, all of you walked right into it. Managment in the airline industry has moved away from identifying one who serves coke and pretzels and pretends to know what to do in an emergency to be worth the price of a salary and benefits. Your lowly actions towards fellow crewmembers proved to managment what type of labor minded piece of shits you are. Your head is on the platter in 08 and I love it. Then again, there isn't an AA flight attendant worth walking a picket line. Your bosses remember how weak you were the last time you tried a job action. Laughable freaks!
Go ahead and try to stop the show when they slice your pensions out of the picture, cut your salaries in half, and make the job unfit for anything but a hermaphroditic cross-dressing, don't know if you are a chic looking for a husband that acts like a miniature hitler that calls himself an AA pilot.
Peice-O-Shits
Fly SWA! Repeal the Wright Ammendment!
Yes, FACTS are FACTS, and you certainly are not apprised of what has taken place since 2001. If you put the simple 'galley talk" aside and actually take time to seek the facts you would certainly be embarassed at the remarks YOU made towards the former TWAers/APFA members. You are dead wrong and misinformed.
No one can argue with Ignorance-and you have provided a great display. You need to think ahead and not with your behind.
As a 30 year flight attendant, I will promise you that your skewed view will come back to haunt you within the next 5 years.
I probably wont be here to say I told you so, ( I will have moved on), but dont look for my sympathy in any cause you may be able to muster in the future. Face it, AA /AMR knows the f/a group is divided and will use it to their advantage.
Your future is stagnant. No recalls, no attrition to speak of, no movement. STAGNANT......
Your verbal rhetoric shows no stamina should you face the loss of your job thru an acquisition to another. If American Airlines wants to sell you out , they will-and they dont care what you have to say about it......
Caveat! Watch out for the promises, little grasshopper! This is the time you really need to pay attention....and get your facts straight.
This is the poster who replied at 4:07 in which your post above refers.
Your post parrots what my points were above-Your rephrasing my points bolsters the issues I brought to the forefront. For that, I thank you as you and I at least we found some common ground.
You claim you take time to do your own research ( I applaud that effort as the majority of F/A's believe whatever they hear thru the rumor mill.....I wish there were more that took time to actually check facts! AA recognises the apathy among the AA f/a's and will continue to take advantage at ever turn. Another tool used inhouse (apfa) is simple scare tactics....many times bolstered by Jay Narey and his group.) I have no idea who will guide your future~so far, it appears quite grim. No recalls, no movement in seniority, short staffed and working harder than ever seems to be in the scope of your future.
Im happy that you have an exit planned and hope that you have some great memories to cherish.
Good Luck.
This is the poster who replied at 4:07 in which your post above refers.
Your post parrots what my points were above-Your rephrasing my points bolsters the issues I brought to the forefront. For that, I thank you as you and I at least we found some common ground.
You claim you take time to do your own research ( I applaud that effort as the majority of F/A's believe whatever they hear thru the rumor mill.....I wish there were more that took time to actually check facts! AA recognises the apathy among the AA f/a's and will continue to take advantage at ever turn. Another tool used inhouse (apfa) is simple scare tactics....many times bolstered by Jay Narey and his group.) I have no idea who will guide your future~so far, it appears quite grim. No recalls, no movement in seniority, short staffed and working harder than ever seems to be in the scope of your future.
Im happy that you have an exit planned and hope that you have some great memories to cherish.
Good Luck.
Former TWA-30+ years.....
AA Pilots union, AFA is stepping up to begin talks now with AA.....as we all know contract negotiations can last for 1-2 years due to the Fed laws that mandate the process.
IN regards to AA f/a's, whose contract is opens in 2008-you can surmise that at best, you will be working under the current contract till 2010. Food for thought.
Correction to the pilots union named above with my typo......I meant APA.
Interesting article-Link:
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/15542501.htm
Quote:
"That advantage is long gone. Today, after a spate of bankruptcies at rival airlines, American's labor costs are the highest among the major carriers. During the first quarter of this year, American's labor unit costs were 25 percent higher than United Airlines', 27 percent greater than Continental Airlines' and 52 percent more than JetBlue Airways'."
Question:Are the AA pilots smart in opening their contract early on in gaining a larger piece of the AA pie?
Where does this leave the AA F/A's in opening their contract negotiations in April 2008?
Im not up to par on the AA Mechanics contract expiration date but they certainly fit into the equation as well.
GO FIGURE!
Former TWA-30+ years poster 4:07,
I am going to give up trying to get a response out of you since you evidently can't back up your own post.
You posted:"Yes, FACTS are FACTS, and you certainly are not apprised of what has taken place since 2001. "
I requested you clarify those facts as YOU saw them.
Your patently vague response was:"
Your rephrasing my points bolsters the issues I brought to the forefront."
Yet you did not answer the points in question:
1a)Did you or did you NOT have jobs as Flight attendants at AA?
1b)did you or did you not WORK flights under the AA LOGO
2)Do you really believe you were MERGED, and not SOLD to AAL?
3a)Did you or did you not become members of APFA?
3b)were you or were you not eligible to vote in APFA elections/ the RPA?
4)Did you or did you not keep your PAY , Retirement and Vacation Seniority?
5) is it true, or false, that transfers WITHIN AA would get sent to the bottom of the senority list for bidding purposes?
TRY to answer these questions with a simple yes /no or True/false.
feel free to follow up with your version of what has taken place since 2001 that I am NOT aware of.
Anonymous AA FA of 19 yrs
What you people forget is that AA had absolutely no right in interferring in any negotiations re seniority. Also John Ward's statement to Congress was filled with alot of misinformed information that was not
followed up. He talks about what the AA flt attendants gave up..fine but that was in their contract before we came into the picture so it had nothing to do with us. Seniority was assumed would be an issue because of the way Ward and Company presented it..but it was only about what they "thought" rather than fact. He kept bringing up the AA contract but he forgot that that was his issue with them not TWA. Nobody was ever asked to give up seniority. Just because you have more bodies does not mean you lose seniority its called slotted in just as it is in any industry whether or not its airline or not.
It happens frequently in all industries. So that is to say that Arpey shouldn't be in his position because others had been with AA longer? Whats the difference?? Its that simple. The officers wanted to rile the pot and they did. No facts just emotions. This could open a DFR that could kick APFA
in the butt not to say what the company could be liable for. The reason all of this is so quiet now is because they are allowing or trying to have time be on their side so that that avenue is closed.
Rereading the past court records I see that alot not only was overlooked and strategically altered as we moved along but alot
of illegal was done from all sides.
This needs to be reopened and questioned again by the bankruptcy judge that allowed it. He needs to review it over again and look at the missing pieces. Its not over and it won't be til APFA and AA
are exposed fully and the pieces are now beginning to fall into place. If you are curious as to this and can't find the info..I suggest you go to google...its amazing what one learns if you word it right. In the end ...AA will lose alot of money and APFA will and should be sued also. This is not over yet...To much is hiding.
Time for the professional investigators to start checking what is really in there. I'd say
we can crack this and will.
Jay Narey is such a horses ASS.He has no sympathy what so ever. Your day will come.Shamefull man.
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